Marvin Shilmer

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  A new start? Watchtower renaming at HQ Columbia Heights

  by Gorbatchov in

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  friends,.

  who was in any doubt that our jw believe is a marketing model, see this pictures of the still existing hq of jw at columbia heights.. earlier comments on jwn that something is going to change in the organisation, these comments are true.. in a few years we will not talk about the watchtower society, we wil talk about jw.org.

  i think the current leadership will make a transfer to a new start.

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  Marvin Shilmer

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  I guess the likes of "God's name is ..." or "Read about the good news of ..." cannot compete with shameless self-promotion.

  Watchtower is about Watchtower. Nothing more. Nothing less. It's a business being run like a business.

  Marvin Shilmer
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  250,000 Jehovah's Witnesses have died refusing blood

  by nicolaou in

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  80+ branch davidian cult members died in waco, texas.

  250,000+ #jehovahswitnesses have died refusing blood.

  stop this #cult!

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  Marvin Shilmer

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  Adamah,

  Readers who want to measure veracity of claims should do so based on their own firsthand consideration of those claims. I’m not interested in reaching any other kind of reader.

  What your cryptic remarks about someone being caught in a lie or stretching the truth is supposed to mean is only known to you.

  I advise readers to consult whatever source information is cited.

  Oh, and it is preposterous to think it creates impression of “having something to hide” because a person is lazy or otherwise unable to go to the library to consult source material at issue. These people don’t have a reason to think anyone is hiding anything.

  Marvin Shilmer
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  250,000 Jehovah's Witnesses have died refusing blood

  by nicolaou in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  80+ branch davidian cult members died in waco, texas.

  250,000+ #jehovahswitnesses have died refusing blood.

  stop this #cult!

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  Marvin Shilmer

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  “Interesting, Marvin, as you seemingly are unaware of the doctrine of 'contributury copyright infringement', a tort where inducing others to infringe copyright actually exposes one to charges, as well?”

  Adamah,

  I’m unconcerned about my personal exposure on this matter, and am not attempting to induce anything illegal. I think my point was/is clear enough, and it was said to a person who’s apparently willing to flagrantly disregard property rights of a thirdparty!

  “While I may be interested in the issue enough to click on a link to read it for free, few will be willing to PAY to gain access to material that's locked behind a pay-wall.”

  So what?

  “And that's part of the practical problem with relying on Beliaev's study for anything, really: if it cannot be easily accessed by the reader to confirm by clicking on a link, the study might as well not exist, since in the minds of many laypersons, it only creates the impression of having something to hide.”

  That’s beyond preposterous!!!

  Any layperson with an ounce of get-up-and-go can typically get to a public library, which will in almost all cases have access to this information.

  Marvin Shilmer
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  250,000 Jehovah's Witnesses have died refusing blood

  by nicolaou in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  80+ branch davidian cult members died in waco, texas.

  250,000+ #jehovahswitnesses have died refusing blood.

  stop this #cult!

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  Marvin Shilmer

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  “The point is that there is disagreement amongst peer-reviewed published professionals, therefore amateur bloggers should know their place, and not be so dogmatic.”

  Besty,

  You presume a great deal, of the professionals at issue as well as my person.

  You, for instance, presume Isbister disagrees with Beliaev’s response to his criticism, as though Isbister’s initial complaint remains a point of disagreement from him.

  As for me, I’ve not offered an argument based on my own authority; hence your aspersions cast toward me are nothing short of an irrelevant red herring, if not ad hominem. I recommend you read up on informal fallacies.

  I restate my initial comment that for reason known only to you, is objected to by your person:

  Respectfully, if you’re going to completely disregard copyright infringement then you might as well give equal time to the original authors’ response to Isbister’s objections. It’s revealing.

  Marvin Shilmer
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  250,000 Jehovah's Witnesses have died refusing blood

  by nicolaou in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  80+ branch davidian cult members died in waco, texas.

  250,000+ #jehovahswitnesses have died refusing blood.

  stop this #cult!

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  Marvin Shilmer

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  “hi marvin - I assume you are unaware of the false balance fallacy.”

  Besty,

  Then you assume wrong.

  As Beliaev’s information presentation is worthy of critical analysis so it is of Isbister’s informational presentation.

  Isbister makes claims in his criticism of Beliaev’s work that are demonstrably false. This is unapparent to novices, but the falseness of Isbister’s primary criticism is found within the tables of Beliaev’s work. For those who do not know how, or who don’t take time to notice what the tables express in values, they can look at the footnote that points out the very things criticized by Isbister have in fact been accounted for.

  Should I assume you are either unable to understand the tables in Beliaev’s information presentation, or that you didn’t take time to study the tables?

  Should I assume you believe Isbister’s claim purely because Isbister asserts it?

  Have you read the author’s response to Isbister’s claims to determine yourself what claims have merit and which one’s don’t?

  If not, then what is your point?

  Marvin Shilmer
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  Anyone know of any witnesses that concealed carry to meetings?

  by LogCon in

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  does anyone know of any witnesses, in good standing, brother or sisters, that used to conceal carry to meetings or field service?.

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  “Does anyone know of any witnesses, in good standing, brother or sisters, that used to conceal carry to meetings or field service?”

  In some parts of the world local elders recommend carrying a loaded gun in field service, presumably because of wildlife. In parts of Alaska this is common.

  Historically, there was a time when JWs were encouraged to arm themselves when in field service and at the Kingdom Hall.

  See: Jehovah’s Witnesses and Firearms – Overlooked History available at: http://marvinshilmer.blogspot.com/2011/02/jehovahs-witnesses-and-firearms.html
  
  Marvin Shilmer
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  250,000 Jehovah's Witnesses have died refusing blood

  by nicolaou in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  80+ branch davidian cult members died in waco, texas.

  250,000+ #jehovahswitnesses have died refusing blood.

  stop this #cult!

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  Marvin Shilmer

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  besty,

  Respectfully, if you’re going to completely disregard copyright infringement then you might as well give equal time to the original authors’ response to Isbister’s objections. It’s revealing.

  Marvin Shilmer
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  Blood Transfusion – Brain Check

  by Marvin Shilmer in

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  blood transfusion brain check.

  ive written extensively on the subject of the watchtower organizations communally enforced religious position against blood transfusion.

  but i often neglect to put the brains behind this religious position on display in full flaming glory.. in short order we have a gloriously brilliant display of these brains by aligning three of its epiphanies in nearly perfect 12-year intervals of 1932, 1944 and 1956.. take a look for yourself:.

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  Marvin Shilmer

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  “I was done there….”

  Too bad. Had you read on you’d realize my opening statement was no more than to emphasize a personal neglect.

  To each his own.

  Marvin Shilmer
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  Blood Transfusion – Brain Check

  by Marvin Shilmer in

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  2. friends

  blood transfusion brain check.

  ive written extensively on the subject of the watchtower organizations communally enforced religious position against blood transfusion.

  but i often neglect to put the brains behind this religious position on display in full flaming glory.. in short order we have a gloriously brilliant display of these brains by aligning three of its epiphanies in nearly perfect 12-year intervals of 1932, 1944 and 1956.. take a look for yourself:.

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  Marvin Shilmer

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  “Can you give us more info on the wt teaching of ectoplasm?”

  In a nutshell:

  Watchtower’s Top-Brains-In-Charge swallowed the then notion of ectoplasm hook, line and sinker.

  These men who purported themselves as “the voice of God” (see: http://marvinshilmer.blogspot.com/2011/02/voice-of-god.html) were hoodwinked by a parlor trick performance using lighting, cheesecloth and luminous liquid/paint. The manifestation always came from a closed container or bodily cavity. Oh, and Watchtower’s Top-Brains-In-Charge thought the idea of before-and-after weight differential proved something more than that the “manifestation” was something other than a piece of matter the trickster had concealed on/in their body. Guess they never thought of that simple feat of “magic”.

  James Randi can tell you more about this trick: http://www.randi.org/encyclopedia/ectoplasm.html

  Marvin Shilmer
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  Blood Transfusion – Brain Check

  by Marvin Shilmer in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  blood transfusion brain check.

  ive written extensively on the subject of the watchtower organizations communally enforced religious position against blood transfusion.

  but i often neglect to put the brains behind this religious position on display in full flaming glory.. in short order we have a gloriously brilliant display of these brains by aligning three of its epiphanies in nearly perfect 12-year intervals of 1932, 1944 and 1956.. take a look for yourself:.

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  Marvin Shilmer

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  Blood Transfusion – Brain Check

  I’ve written extensively on the subject of the Watchtower organization’s communally enforced religious position against blood transfusion. But I often neglect to put the brains behind this religious position on display in full flaming glory.

  In short order we have a gloriously brilliant display of these brains by aligning three of its epiphanies in nearly perfect 12-year intervals of 1932, 1944 and 1956.

  Take a look for yourself:

  - 1932: http://marvinshilmer.blogspot.com/2011/06/watchtower-on-demon-materialization.html

  - 1944: http://marvinshilmer.blogspot.com/2011/02/blood-what-happened-at-watchtower-in.html

  - 1956: http://marvinshilmer.blogspot.com/2011/06/watchtower-ectoplasm.html

  The same brains who concocted and began enforcing a prohibition against blood transfusion had before and after this swallowed something that was nothing less than staged theatrics. Reading aspects of these theatrics that so convinced the authors and publisher (Watchtower) of its worthiness provides a quite extensive examination of the brains behind the blood ban.

  Another thing I often forget to mention is the harm we do to ourselves when we let a fool convince us of something foolish. I tend to concentrate on the act of the fool and how harmful the fool is and neglect to remind myself and others of the self-harm of letting fools have some sway. One of the best things we can do for ourselves and others is to call a spade a spade. Hence, when presented by a fool spouting nonsense we should respond by expressing that it’s foolery and nothing more. We should avoid the self-harm of listening to fools. This will protect our own brains and allow them to grow rather than standing captive to a fool.

  Short instructional interactive:

  JW to you: The bible tells us blood transfusion is wrong.

  You: Have you ever heard of ectoplasm?

  JW to you: No.

  You: It was a simple theatrical trick of self-professed spirit mediums used to convince audiences that deceased souls were in the room and communicating.

  JW to you: Oh. What does that have to do with blood transfusion?

  You: The same folks who told you the bible condemns transfusion of donor blood to save a life also told you that ectoplasm was a manifestation of demon spirits when in fact they were fooled by a grammar school trick. Did I mention that long after teaching that blood transfusion is wrong that these teachers continued to believe in and promote the idea that ectoplasm was a real manifestation of spirits?

  JW to you: What… but… but…

  You: Would you let a medical doctor who promoted ectoplasm give your child or you advice? Why, or why not?

  Marvin Shilmer